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其实老子都不想贴了,自己知道就行了,但想想还是分享给大家,不开窍的来看看啊。真是的
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Had an "initial OB" on mar 2009 (9 weeks after vaginal sex with partner A, 2 weeks after oral/vaginal sex with partner B). Bilateral, widespread sores that looked like canker sores. Got flu symptoms, but they had subsided before I spotted the sores. Doctor said it wasn't a typical initial outbreak (too widespread, she said) and that incubation period was not right, but gave me Famvir anyway. The “OB” lasted 1.5 weeks tops.
5 days after onset I had a PCR swab (one from a lesion, another from the cervix) -> negative for HSV. I was not on antivirals.
2 weeks after onset, I tested HSV1+, HSV2- (glycoprotein based test). And I've been getting the same result since then. Last exam was on June 2010. I'm not on suppressive therapy.
The problem is that I had "two recurrences". (a)  Jan 2010, a open sore next to my hairline in labia majora (dermatologist said it healed too quick to be herpes, said it could have been foliculitis (folliculitis) - healed completely in 5 days); (b) Jun 2010, consisting of two ulcers - one in left labia minora and other in majora - confirmed by a GYN, lasted a week. Coincidence or not, all my "obs" happened right after an episode of sore throat.
Apart from that, I frequently experience muscle fasciculation in my legs, buttocks and groins (prodomes?).
As you can notice, I'm having trouble trying to understand what's going on: Genital HSV1, HSV2 or none of them. Both my partners tested 4 months after our encounter - partner A (one-time partner) tested negative for HSV IgG using one of those antigen based tests but there's a rumor about one of his former partners having gherpes (not confirmed by him); partner B (6-year partner) tested HSV1+ HSV2-, has no history of noticeble cold sores. Both partners showed me their results.
I don't have access to WB. I'll certainly try the PCR swab again, but in the meantime, from your experience, what should I make of all this? My doctor says I have herpes, but it seems like there's a conjecture of improbabilities in my case. .
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.I think you should trust the blood test results over your symptoms.  Your symptoms don't honestly sound herpetic to me, and the circumstances of your sexual encounter don't sound risky to me.  The blood test is very accurate after 9 months, and I hope you will believe those results and move on with your life in a positive way.  

In the future, with sexual encounters, I recommend that you and your partner have STD testing done prior to sexual activity so you both know where you stand and don't have to worry post-sex about any infections that might show up.  

Hope this helps to put your mind at rest!

Terri .




9个月   是研究的最长时间   抗体晚于9个月出现的研究比较少



所以 9个月在看准不准 别说16周了  16周95%H试剂  6月97%  9个月以后没有研究 但不会提高多少了
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Great.  Please let us know what the dermatologist says.

The problem with HSV blood tests are multiple and include false positive tests and that if your test is positive it does not mean that you recently acquired the infection.  HSV blood tests become positive over time with about 95% being positive at six months after infection (a few people do not develop positive tests by this time but there are no data beyond six months).  A negative test would be helpful, a positive test would not help much.  EWH .
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55#

以上说  要6个月
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56#

我已经把 medhelp上的  terri   hhh   ewh 三个人的2008年后的帖子全部都看完了

还是无尽的不能解答
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Among all persons with genital HSV-1, about 40% have no recurrent outbreaks after the first infection.  The other 60% typically have 1-2 recurrent outbreaks in the next 1-2 years; most of them have no further recurrences.  Only about 5-10% have ongoing outbreaks thereafter, which typically are 1-2 years apart, even more.  This is very different than HSV-2, in which 90% of infected persons have 3-6 outbreaks per year for several years.

So it sounds like your daughter has fairly typical genital herpes due to HSV-1, since she is only now having her first recurrent outbreak.  (As noted above, I don't consider her symptoms at 6 weeks to be a recurrence, but part of her initial infection.)  My first advice is that she see her doctor promptly, to confirm that she is indeed having a herpes outbreak.  It's always a good idea for the first apparent recurrence to be confirmed by a health professional.

In answer to your direct question:  a new HSV infection cannot cause onset of symptoms only 18 hours after exposure; 2-3 days is the minimum.  Also, sex does not trigger recurrent outbreaks.  So assuming this indeed is a herpes recurrence, it is not a new infection from the recent sexual exposure, just a coincidence in timing.  For the same reasons, it cannot be a new HSV-2 infection from the recent sex.  So those comments also answer your second question:  if this is herpes, almost certainly it is a recurrence of the infection that first showed up a year and a half ago.
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Good questions.  However, you start with a misconception; i.e., the premise that culture is the "gold standard" for herpes diagnosis is not correct.  Culture is a gold standard only if positive.  If there is any doubt about the diagnosis in a particular patient, a positive culture can settle the issue once and for all.  However, as you correctly state, culture is often negative in HSV infected people, even those with typical genital lesions.

To use epidemiologic terminology, this means that culture is a highly specific test.  However, continuing to use that terminology, culture is a very insensitive test; that is, it often is negative in a person with herpes.  As you might imagine, in people without genital lesions, the culture almost always is negative, even in people with herpes.

Bottom line:  If a gold standard test is one that is both highly sensitive (missing few infections) and highly specific (always reliable if positive), then culture does not meet that standard.  But nobody ever said it does -- so I'm not sure why you apparently thought of it that way.

As to the specific questions you ask, there are no better answers than the ones you provide yourself: culture indeed can miss many (most?) initial herpes; and with recurrent outbreaks they often miss the diagnosis if done more than 48 hours after onset.  Clearly the culture is most likely to be positive when used to test fresh herpetic vesicles (blisters); less likely as the blisters become pus-filled; still less as they open into sores; and rarely positive in those whose lesions are starting to heal.  For initial genital herpes, new lesions often continue to appear for 1-2 weeks, so the culture may be positive for that long.  For recurrent outbreaks, the vesicle-pustule stage usually is over within 2-3 days.  (Forty to fifty percent of apparently initial infections actually are recurrent outbreaks in people with previously asymptomatic infection.  This lowers the positive culture yield for apparent first outbreaks, if tested beyond a couple of days.  So your 70% figure might be abour right.)

With increasing use of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) instead of culture, false negative results are less common.  But even PCR misses many cases, especially when lesions are not present (of course) and when they are healing.

It is for exactly these reasons that culture (or PCR) alone is inadequate as a diagnostic tool.  Proper diagnosis requires culture/PCR sometimes, blood tests sometimes, and often both.  This is not unique to herpes.  For 100 years, syphilis diagnosis has been essentially the same:  a specific but insensitive test to identify the organism itself (darkfield microscopy) plus blood testing, with the two approaches often used simultaneously.  There are parallels in the diagnosis of most infectious diseases.

Good questions.  Thanks for the opportunity to discuss it.

HHH, MD .
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60#

刚看了这个   2002论文
已经有hsv1抗体 在得hwsv2的   假阴多 包括westernblot

这可能是中国为什么型特异老被医生说不准的原因之一吧
因为我们hsv1的人群很大

吴焱说90%可能都不到T试剂


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