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血检疱疹的准确度 [复制链接]

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我已经把 medhelp上的  terri   hhh   ewh 三个人的2008年后的帖子全部都看完了

还是无尽的不能解答
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Among all persons with genital HSV-1, about 40% have no recurrent outbreaks after the first infection.  The other 60% typically have 1-2 recurrent outbreaks in the next 1-2 years; most of them have no further recurrences.  Only about 5-10% have ongoing outbreaks thereafter, which typically are 1-2 years apart, even more.  This is very different than HSV-2, in which 90% of infected persons have 3-6 outbreaks per year for several years.

So it sounds like your daughter has fairly typical genital herpes due to HSV-1, since she is only now having her first recurrent outbreak.  (As noted above, I don't consider her symptoms at 6 weeks to be a recurrence, but part of her initial infection.)  My first advice is that she see her doctor promptly, to confirm that she is indeed having a herpes outbreak.  It's always a good idea for the first apparent recurrence to be confirmed by a health professional.

In answer to your direct question:  a new HSV infection cannot cause onset of symptoms only 18 hours after exposure; 2-3 days is the minimum.  Also, sex does not trigger recurrent outbreaks.  So assuming this indeed is a herpes recurrence, it is not a new infection from the recent sexual exposure, just a coincidence in timing.  For the same reasons, it cannot be a new HSV-2 infection from the recent sex.  So those comments also answer your second question:  if this is herpes, almost certainly it is a recurrence of the infection that first showed up a year and a half ago.
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Good questions.  However, you start with a misconception; i.e., the premise that culture is the "gold standard" for herpes diagnosis is not correct.  Culture is a gold standard only if positive.  If there is any doubt about the diagnosis in a particular patient, a positive culture can settle the issue once and for all.  However, as you correctly state, culture is often negative in HSV infected people, even those with typical genital lesions.

To use epidemiologic terminology, this means that culture is a highly specific test.  However, continuing to use that terminology, culture is a very insensitive test; that is, it often is negative in a person with herpes.  As you might imagine, in people without genital lesions, the culture almost always is negative, even in people with herpes.

Bottom line:  If a gold standard test is one that is both highly sensitive (missing few infections) and highly specific (always reliable if positive), then culture does not meet that standard.  But nobody ever said it does -- so I'm not sure why you apparently thought of it that way.

As to the specific questions you ask, there are no better answers than the ones you provide yourself: culture indeed can miss many (most?) initial herpes; and with recurrent outbreaks they often miss the diagnosis if done more than 48 hours after onset.  Clearly the culture is most likely to be positive when used to test fresh herpetic vesicles (blisters); less likely as the blisters become pus-filled; still less as they open into sores; and rarely positive in those whose lesions are starting to heal.  For initial genital herpes, new lesions often continue to appear for 1-2 weeks, so the culture may be positive for that long.  For recurrent outbreaks, the vesicle-pustule stage usually is over within 2-3 days.  (Forty to fifty percent of apparently initial infections actually are recurrent outbreaks in people with previously asymptomatic infection.  This lowers the positive culture yield for apparent first outbreaks, if tested beyond a couple of days.  So your 70% figure might be abour right.)

With increasing use of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) instead of culture, false negative results are less common.  But even PCR misses many cases, especially when lesions are not present (of course) and when they are healing.

It is for exactly these reasons that culture (or PCR) alone is inadequate as a diagnostic tool.  Proper diagnosis requires culture/PCR sometimes, blood tests sometimes, and often both.  This is not unique to herpes.  For 100 years, syphilis diagnosis has been essentially the same:  a specific but insensitive test to identify the organism itself (darkfield microscopy) plus blood testing, with the two approaches often used simultaneously.  There are parallels in the diagnosis of most infectious diseases.

Good questions.  Thanks for the opportunity to discuss it.

HHH, MD .
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刚看了这个   2002论文
已经有hsv1抗体 在得hwsv2的   假阴多 包括westernblot

这可能是中国为什么型特异老被医生说不准的原因之一吧
因为我们hsv1的人群很大

吴焱说90%可能都不到T试剂


欢迎讨论
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你每天 看完科普文章,各种不准。图啥?
吓唬自己吗? 服了。
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没什么 ,学习呗,研究呗,
我们的论坛比起美国的差远了,都是跑来确诊的或者排除的,弄完了基本都不见了

我在这里耗着,不是比来了确认完就跑的强  不是么

我在这里发  你不洗喜欢就别进来就是了,我又不影响你。如果大家都觉得我烦 找管理员屏蔽我就是了

我不矫情
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另外 不是科普文章  是论文
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得,您继续研究。 我矫情。
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请大家记住:疱疹血检就是错误的,血检的结果根本不能作为定论的依据,我是听一位有经验的医生说过的。现在想起来他说的是对的。
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